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What is up with the Royal Family?

faerywings

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As an American, I don't understand the uproar but I can sense that it is a big deal. When I first read the headlines about Harry and Meghan moving to Canada, I thought-- good for them wanting to be self-sufficient and all that. I mean, really- good for them. As much as, generally speaking, Americans love the romance of a Royal Family, it doesn't seem to be much more than a sentimental notion.
I think I am quite wrong. Obviously it has be run like a corporation although that takes some of the sheen off of the fantasy. But is it really such a bad thing for them to separate from the Queen? I can't tell if it is media drama, family drama, financial stakes or the complete and total collapse of the British Monarchy (said somewhat tongue-in-cheek.).

anyone care to share some non-America-centric insight?
 

felis

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OMG it's a huge deal! All about royalty is based on tradition and ancient rules. When someone try to break them this is a little disaster. How to trust and respect queen who can't control her own family? She must show position and punish them. Abdication and exile sounds as a good decision. I'm never liked Meghan, she is too ordinary, was obviously she can't fit at the glass shoes.
 

taxed4ever

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These two would never be in throne succession so I think the queen should respect their wishes lucky us they want to live part time not far from here :love:
 

taxed4ever

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Everyone hates Meghan but really people she is just an ordinary woman and Harry loves her so so let them be happy!!
 

VickiStegall

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I'm sure it's a huge struggle to live in that kind of limelight these days. I don't think I'd want that kind of pressure! Harry is pretty cute though....
 

Madi

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Being an actress i am sure Meghan is used to all the attention, but when it is all negative that is a different thing. From Harry's point i can understand. He knows what happened to his mom and he is a father now so I understand he wants to do it differently.
Maybe the queen and england think it is a good way to divert the attention from prince Andrew? And prince William?
They should be free to do what they want, just like anyone else.

Latest news, even the Queen supports their choice!
 

felis

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I don't think you watch at the whole picture. This isn't some Kylie Jenner drama or another Hollywood split off. People are fight and die in the name of the crown from centuries. What happens to the royal family happens to the whole kingdom. I wouldn't be surprised if whole this theater is PR action. Reaction of the Queen will send message to the scottish and northern ireland who wants independence after brexit.

Which don't change the fact that ordinary people are not good for royal family. Aristocracy have more responsibilities than celebrities!
 

veer

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I don't understand that commotion either, if those people are tired of that public life, then let them live their own life!
 

faerywings

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Everyone hates Meghan but really people she is just an ordinary woman and Harry loves her so so let them be happy!!
I don't get why people don't like her, she seems so down to earth. I am not a Royal Watcher, but the two of them seem happy together and isn't that what matters?
I saw this comparison of headlines and stories: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal
Can it *really* come down to racism and media attacks? I can't blame Harry (ITA, Vicki- he is a cutie!) for wanting to protect his family from that.

Felis- I hadn't thought of this as part of Post-Brexit fallout. Could be the Queen is feeling the cracks in the armor with Scotland wanting its independence... hmm...
 

faerywings

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Being an actress i am sure Meghan is used to all the attention, but when it is all negative that is a different thing. From Harry's point i can understand. He knows what happened to his mom and he is a father now so I understand he wants to do it differently.
Maybe the queen and england think it is a good way to divert the attention from prince Andrew? And prince William?
They should be free to do what they want, just like anyone else.

Latest news, even the Queen supports their choice!


Diane-- yeah, the whole Prince Andrew disgusting mess was glossed over pretty quickly, wasn't it?


Whew! That is wonderful to hear the Queen is now supporting them.:dance:
 

VickiStegall

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Being an actress i am sure Meghan is used to all the attention, but when it is all negative that is a different thing. From Harry's point i can understand. He knows what happened to his mom and he is a father now so I understand he wants to do it differently.
Maybe the queen and england think it is a good way to divert the attention from prince Andrew? And prince William?
They should be free to do what they want, just like anyone else.

Latest news, even the Queen supports their choice!


I think that being a Royal is a different kind of attention and scrutiny, but like Chris, I"m not really a royal watcher either and I very much come from a live and let live, love who you're gonna love background lol


Hooray for the Queen! I think she loves her grandchildren very much.
 

VickiStegall

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I don't get why people don't like her, she seems so down to earth. I am not a Royal Watcher, but the two of them seem happy together and isn't that what matters?
I saw this comparison of headlines and stories: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal
Can it *really* come down to racism and media attacks? I can't blame Harry (ITA, Vicki- he is a cutie!) for wanting to protect his family from that.

Felis- I hadn't thought of this as part of Post-Brexit fallout. Could be the Queen is feeling the cracks in the armor with Scotland wanting its independence... hmm...


I've read about the race issue as well and coming from a very conservative part of the country where racism is sadly still very much alive, I definitely think that could be part of it. As a not only is she "common" but she's also of mixed race. I think she's quite beautiful and from the outside so poised and composed in the face of all the criticism.
 

felis

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I've read about the race issue as well and coming from a very conservative part of the country where racism is sadly still very much alive, I definitely think that could be part of it. As a not only is she "common" but she's also of mixed race. I think she's quite beautiful and from the outside so poised and composed in the face of all the criticism.

It's not because of race issue, but because she non stop reminds them she is american, which makes them suspicious that she is loyal to the crown. It's OK to be proud with your roots, but in same time to respect your husband's traditions too, she love to ignore rules and scandalize. That's what they can't forgive her.
 

Madi

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I think it is official now,
they are still part of the Royal family, but no longer "employes" of the Royal Firm.
 

Jeannette

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I can only hope you will live a very happy life without all the attention and the royalness. I can so understand they have had it with this public life.
 

scribler

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Harry sees how the media treats Meghan and he saw the end result of the media's hounding of his mother. I think he wants to make sure that doesn't happen to Meghan or Archie.
 

Marleen

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The British press is disgusting, they write things that are not truth,
I think only that people will buy many newspapers and magazines as possible. Fortunately the Dutch press does not do this with our royal family, only a few newspapers and magazines full of gossip, unfortunately there are some people who buy this and believe it, how stupid can you be! Nothing is wrong with Harry and Megan, absolutely not, I love them, leave this sweet couple alone, no one has the right to tell how they should live, in addition, they have the approval of queen Elisabeth to go to Canada. I hope and wish that Harry and Megan and there little boy become a better life in Canada, they deserve this, partly because of what happened with Diane, they have my blessing and with me the most people!
 

Kythe

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I have spent a good hour thinking about how to answer Faerywings question. I have done some research to give you a little perspective on the topic. I hope it doesn't come across like a lecture. lol



Over the last 100 years many changes have happened within the Royal Family as it tries to keep aligned with current times and in my opinion that is a good thing. While it is hard to adjust and in some case necessary, the monarchy should, and has on many occasions, changed to stay relevant in the modern age. Change is not always ‘bad’… just different and there will always be those foror against what it is.
Here are some things that have changed in the last 100 years (I am basing my information an article on Global news written and researched by Olivia Bowden)
Firstly, a bit of background, the line of succession changed when in 1936 King Edward Vlll abdicated to marry Wallace Simpson, a commoner and American - twice divorced. Had he stayed on as King, the throne would pass to any male children he may have had. Instead, the line of succession switched to that of his brother, Albert who became King George Vl and subsequently on to his daughter Princess Elizabeth now Queen Elizabeth ll. (King George had no male heirs)If it were not for that major change there would be a completely different family in line for the throne.


Changes due to political or social trend of the times:
1. 1958 - the presenting of debutantes to the Queen stopped as it thought as ‘out of touch’
2. up to WWl -marriage rules indicated royalty must marry royalty, meaning princes and princesses, – today royals now have the ability to marry outside of the prince and princess pool and choose from a variety of social backgrounds. Prince Charles, Prince William and Prince Harry married outside of strict royal circles. None of them married a born princess.
3. The Church of England relaxed the rules and allowed previously married individuals to marry into the royal family. Both Prince Charles and Prince Harry married a divorcee.
4. Permission from the Queen to marry now is only need by the first 6 in line to the throne.
5. Education used to be accomplished by tutors at ‘home’ and attending school was promoted by Prince Phillip and the children of the Cambridge’s will follow suit.
6. Succession has become gender-neutral meaning that the throne is passed to males and females in birth order, not just males.
7. The accessibility of royals has increased and continued more frequently in the 1960’s and1970’s where the monarch actually walked about and talked to people in the crowd. Before that, royals would only wave as they passed by. The intention of the walkabout was to make the royals more approachable and lessen the idea of class distinction as well as seeing the royals as promoting a more democratic society and I believe it has succeeded.


Each one of these changes had a definite impact on how the public perceives royalty. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are simply making a change in their lives as royals. The Duke will never be on the throne. Why should he be restricted in how he wishes to proceed with his new life as husband and father? He has chosen to forego any money to which he previously was entitled as is allowed by current law surrounding trusts and so forth. He is also paying back any debts for the renovations of Frogmore Cottage where he and the Duchess will live while in England.


Prince Charles has stated that when he takes over the throne he plans to slim down the royal family to the major players and reduce the number of the family that receives money from the public purse. The Duke has simply beaten him to it by stepping down.


As for the Duchess of Sussex, there is far too much hate mongering, too much sensationalism and too much nastiness just to sell papers. It is unfortunate that many people read and believe the nonsense written. For me, I always consider the validity of the information source. What does that source gain by publicizing their thoughts and opinions?
 
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faerywings

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Karen- thank you so much for writing up all of this research. I know that Canadians are still connected to the Royal family, unlike us "upstart" revolutionary Americans *wink*


It is fascinating to consider how much the protocol has changed on the last century compared to the previous ones (discounting Henry VIII who threw it all to the wind)


Marleen- is the Dutch Royal family given the same "rock-star" status that the British family gets? I am very happy to hear that they aren't wrapped up in the same amount of gossip.
 
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